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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: vrod on July 14, 2021, 08:22:56 PM
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I wonder about this guy. He reviews all sorts of equipment and I am not sophisticated enoughabout electronics, I trust my ears. What do you guys think about Audioscience Review
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I guess you mean this: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-truth-pre-amp-review.23815/
Our ears tell us different.
Trust your ears.
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I've seen this forum/review site before where measurements reign supreme and subjective listening isn't even on the radar. It's a place where members trash or praise equipment and/or people with no regard to real world performance or listening experience. It a place that seems to embrace the worst aspects of diyAudio. It's a place where guys like Arthur Salvatore and others become quirky misfits. And, Ed is deemed to be fleecing us with his dangerous, uncertified, shoddy work. ;)
The best part of this nastiness is that those folks are unwittingly expanding the universe of Truth owners. 8)
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Hey guys, those fellows got so much wrong it is a crime........what REALLY pissed me off was the insinuation that "no one that knew anything or had heard "real high end" would consider it or own one".
What a bunch of asses......I'm pretty sure Arthur has heard "high end" stuff. Mr. Olsher allowed me to post the paragraph I wrote and to reveal he actually has one, that he paid for. I promised him I'd never use that fact to sell any and that I would keep him anonymous. Henry knows "The Truth" about this and he too has kept his word. Dick got one built for Henry! I'm pretty sure he has heard more "high end" than any of those yokels and maybe more than them all put together. He still has it.
Now in response to an email I sent to a friend where I mocked them as 'scientists" he mistook that as a disdain for all scientists. Not hardly, so I wrote this to him to explain.....
I quit reading it shortly after that post (that Dick allowed me to post) because mainly I figured that anyone with an open mind and actually read what was said would "figure it out".
A buddy read through that mess and asked me about it and why it pissed me off so bad. Here is what I wrote to him and I figured you might be amused by it. He questioned me because I mocked the name "Audio SCIENCE Review". I mockingly called them "scientists" in an email. He thought that maybe I was mocking ALL scientists. Not hardly!
Here is what I wrote him to explain why I mocked them in my mail to him....
"I was talking specifically about some of the bozos there and their comments. If you are going to use the word "science" in your description of what you do then you actually should make sure that you get shit right. For instance....
1 I addressed the crosstalk and pointed out it comes from the selector switch (which it does)
2 I was bashed for the "ground lift switch" (I did not realize at the time they had Steve's)
3. I was told by a "scientist" ( :) ) that the unit tested had no selector switch as it was a single input and the crosstalk was still there. Apparently he does not understand a simple switch and circuit or have the ability to follow the freaking wires from it.
4 I was told how dangerous it was with no earth ground.
Now...the Truth is............
1 the switch was in fact a selector switch because I had ADDED a second set of inputs for him (Steve) . It was the source of the (non issue) crosstalk.
2 there was no ground lift switch on that one.
3 the "safety" on an earth ground to chassis is again really a non issue.
4 I pointed out all have the IEC grounded to the chassis via a wire that can be snipped by the owner.
5 that unit is probably 8 years old... a "scientist" should have checked the dc offset before measuring and proclaiming accurate results.
Most all of that non sense was just pure bashing, and the bastards could not even tell it had 2 inputs and no ground lift.
So my point was, if you are going to call yourself "Audio SCIENCE Review" you should actually take the time to get things that are so basic correct before you pass judgement on something or someone.]
That is where I stand on "Audio (Non) "science" Review".
As I was told by someone I really respect...something like this......"you have enough out there that anyone who says it is not great has not heard one or is lying and everyone who has will know it".
Thanks guys for all the support over these years and I WILL be here if you need me!
Ed
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Ed left out some of the crazy stuff spewed by these ass monkeys over 32 pages:
- Ed should be in jail
- Ed is lucky to have no lawsuits for fires and electrocution
- Ed's luck will eventually run out and he'll be punished
And my favorite:
- The Truth owners are somehow mesmerized by the euphonic hiss imparted by the input/output buffer stages.
I'm pissed that I didn't get the "hiss" option included in mine. ;D
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Henry, obviously that is what tricked Arthur and Dick since they have probably never heard anything good.
The 'hiss option" is very expensive. That must have been the only one I added it too.
In my system there is no hiss from anything. Not from The Truth, not from the FU 32, not from my DAC. There is hiss from my phono stage always has been.
Considering they did not seem to even know they had a 2 input unit their opinions don't mean squat and how the Hell would they even know about (non existent) hiss if they did not hook it up and listen and more than that I'd bet money that anyone who does have "hiss" it will be from the source or power amp. Not a single person has ever contacted ME about "hiss", at least that I can remember.
The Truth is that I could give a rat's ass about their opinion, my issue was that there was little "science" involved and a lot of bashing and guessing.
It's also a little amusing that the idea seems that they (owners) are tricked somehow. Not sure how because anyone can send her back if it does not kill what they have. Do those idiots not understand that and do they not understand that every single person that has one has also owned other stuff, usually very expensive? The list of "high end" line stages it has replaced is quite impressive. My power of mass hypnosis is also impressive, obviously. Do those guys have their heads up each others assess so far they think only their opinion and words mean anything, I think so!?
Thanks again, guys.
Ed
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I did only read 3 of the 32 pages. Did anyone of these folks actually listen to The Truth, or the are just judging a book by it's cover and are acting like smart asses, who think they know everything????
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It's possible that those forum members with opposite political leaning are using this opportunity to make their political attack disguised as audio comment.
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I did only read 3 of the 32 pages. Did anyone of these folks actually listen to The Truth, or the are just judging a book by it's cover and are acting like smart asses, who think they know everything????
All the heavy bashing came from people that have never heard the Truth.
Oh, I left out another false claim forwarded by one of those that have been "blinded by science".
- One Truth owner was so upset that he destroyed it with a baseball bat! ::)
(actually it was the guy's psycho girlfriend that did that and more...)
I found the reading time consuming, but intriguing, sort of like watching our southern borders collapse.
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Hey D. , (CaptZ) well, they could not figure out it had 2 inputs and then told me the crosstalk could not come from the selector switch, which it does by the way, because it was a single input (!) and apparently they thought the selector switch (the toggle switch) was a ground lift switch.
I bet you can figure out the answer to your question....read more...it just gets "better'. I just stopped reading and caring after my last post.
They (except my supporters ) mean absolutely nothing to me.
Well, except they will without doubt actually cause someone to buy one knowing they can send it back. 32 pages! Those of you that have been around know I am fiercely loyal to my supporters and those that attack me I have no mercy for. I will roll in the mud with them and we both will get dirty and guess what? I "just ain't care". I will ALWAYS support my friends, correct misinformation, lies or slander about me, my family and all of you that know and believe in me. Those that do not know me and base anything on shit like that mess will have to figure it out themselves.
Thanks again, my "homies" :),
Ed
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Henry, I called him on that and he basically said "my version was more fun" or something like that. A real piece of work, that one.
Ed
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Henry, I called him on that and he basically said "my version was more fun" or something like that. A real piece of work, that one.
Ed
You really can't discuss or argue something with these kind of people. Just get's you more upset and frustrated, while they think of you even more negative.
So it's usually 'smarter' to ignore this kind of stuff and let '"grass grow over it". (not to add fuel to the fire.)
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Hey D., you are right of course, but remember, no one has ever called me "smart'. :)
Ed
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Hey D., you are right of course, but remember, no one has ever called me "smart'. :)
Ed
Ed Dammit - your are special - a one of a kind ;D
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Hey D., you are right of course, but remember, no one has ever called me "smart'. :)
Ed
Ed Dammit - your are special - a one of a kind ;D
New name: Special Ed :P
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I don't frequent the Audio science site,but they have a rep on some of the other forums as being a bunch of "measurement only" people. Good thing I only listen with my ears,and not a scope or some other measuring device.
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As for ASR forum, it's important to know who the admin is. Amir M. owns a boutique audio store and basically everything he posts online is to support his business or to make money off of forum traffic. He used to make tons of shill posts on other forums until he got banned. Then he got What's Best forum going and was "discharged" from there as well. His current forum is no different.
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Sonic, thank you so very much for this info. Now, are you absolutely sure your post is correct? If so, I think i will use it (the info) to reveal them (him).
Ed (The Honey Badger)
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His name is Amir Majidimehr and he is the founder and president of Madrona Digital, a company that provides various tech services. He was a corporate VP at Microsoft. I don't see a connection with an audio store.
Here's a blurb on the Daniel Miessler website:
"In this standalone episode I’m speaking with Amir Majidimehr.
Amir is an audiophile, but he has a unique approach to the hobby that’s literally disrupting the industry.
He’s basically introduced measurement, and what he calls Objectivism, into this very sensitive audiophile world that prizes itself on everything being a matter of preference, or up to the listener. Amir calls these types the Subjectivists.
So what Amir does is use his decades of experience, and his professional training, to actual test this equipment—much of which costs tens of thousands of dollars—to find out if their outrageous claims have any merit."
So. it seems Amir has introduced objectivism to the world... unique and priceless. ::)
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Now, are you absolutely sure your post is correct?
Yes.
Amir at Madrona Digital: https://www.madronadigital.com/team-amirm
In the early days, he was a team member that worked on HD-DVD to compete against and lost to Blu-ray format. As a displaced digital developer, he started alternative means of income, Madrona Digital, where he stocks high-end AV gear. In doing so, he had to spread the words that those high dollar gear, especially audio gear (Mark Levinson gear), are worth the extra cost because they have lower jitter. He wrote thousands of shill posts about high end digital gear on AVS forum.
amirm: "I did not level match anything. However, once I found one source was worse than the other, I would then turn up the volume to counter any effect there. Indeed, doing so would close the gap some but it never changed the outcome. Note that the elevated level clearly made that source sound louder than the other. So the advantage was put on the losing side."
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/establishing-differences-by-the-10-volume-method.1136745/#post-16216826
Amir's status at What's Best forum: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/schiit-interesting-name-more-interesting-products.22244/page-17#post-457079
He is a chameleon and a very thick skinned person. His new forum ASR champions objectivity but he was and still is subjectivity pusher when it fits his business agenda as shown in the following link which he discredit double blind test. https://www.madronadigital.com/audibility-of-small-distortions
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So, he's not quite the benevolent bench rat I thought he was? ;D
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Want to know how good Truth is? Go to the art of sound forum. The thread waiting for the truth. 22 pages.
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Do you have a link for that?
Looks like a British site judging by words and phrases used.
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https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?48403-Waiting-for-the-Truth&highlight=truth+preamp (https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?48403-Waiting-for-the-Truth&highlight=truth+preamp) :)
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Can somebody explain the different versions of the Truth.
T1
T2
T3
T4
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https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?48403-Waiting-for-the-Truth&highlight=truth+preamp (https://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?48403-Waiting-for-the-Truth&highlight=truth+preamp) :)
Well, took the time to speed read through this. Why is it, that there are always people, that think they know it better, without even have the product (in this case the Truth) heard. And then come up with explanations, why it can not be good. Besides that, getting side tracked with things that have nothing to do with the subject. Especially the owner/moderator of this site, which we in Germany would call a "strange bird" (direct translation)
On the other hand you have people like Adrian in this threat that actually have heard and used the Truth and are reporting their findings. BTW, the slight lose of warmth, which he reported was most likely due to the fact that he no longer heard the coloration of a preamp or volume pot or ???
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Hey Capt..
Ed has made a good living turning derision into gold. We are the fortunate few. 8)
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I am not getting rid of my expensive $2600 tube preamp. Having said that I think The Truth preamp is a bargain like no other. All you have to do is to read the the many reviews on audiokarma, audio asylum, and audiogon. The world needs a bargain and the Truth is it.